That's disappointing. Well all we can hope for now is a quick knock down and move on.
October 27, 2009
8:09 p.m.
KTR1701 writes:
At this point I think the only way we are getting rid of the Coliseum is if someone has connections in the Air Force and we can arrange for a GBU-43/B (Mother Of All Bombs) to be "accidentally" dropped on it.
(The statement above is meant only to bring attention to the folly of this situation and is not intended as a serious suggestion in any way.)
October 27, 2009
8:22 p.m.
publicenemy357 writes:
in response to gino65:
Leal has absolutely no business sitting on the council. If you look real close you can see that there is actually someone else’s hard up the back of her shirt making her lips move. And yet, she was reelected. That speaks volumes about the voters in this city.
Careful : Gomer Pyle ,She is a lot smarter than say , YOU & A few other Lame Brains on these posts . And for once you said something that made sense she was Re Elected !! Try spell ck Smartie
Caution : :Thin Wet Ice Ahead
October 27, 2009
8:23 p.m.
azalsimp writes:
As a new resident, here for work, this disappoints me tremendously. It sure looks like the city council is too scared to make a decision; too afraid to do something to make the downtown less unattractive. These types of decisions are why so many people who grew up in Corpus Christi no longer live here. They are also why people do not come.
October 27, 2009
8:24 p.m.
JavelinaWildcat writes:
Pathetic. I wonder how many checks were written by the puppet masters from Sunday's article to these four gutless wonders!
October 27, 2009
8:27 p.m.
CarpeDiem writes:
in response to MikeInCC:
I am as disappointed as anybody that the negotiations with Brass have ended. However, after watching the negotiation team's presentation tonight, there were some things that came to light that I can see why the deal wasn't so good. The project needed to be completed in its entirety, and Brass wasn't willing to commit beyond redeveloping the Coliseum and the apartments. Before you jump down the Council's throat, wait until you get the full story of why they decided to end it. You might agree with them too after you know the facts.
The Brass deal changed because the City moved the goal line at least twice after the game started. That plain, that simple.
Elizondo spoke about a checklist that "should" have accompanied the RFP. If I had been one of the companies that responded to the original RFP and then was hit by the roadblocks put up by legal, I would have sued the City for false advertising. Go back to the original RFP, check it out and then check the next set of revised instructions. Total incompetence at the Legal Dept., the Economic Development Dept. and last but certainly not least, the most incompetent of all and that would be our fearless leader, Angel Escobar. He is the City Manager and should have seen to it that all the t's were crossed and the i's dotted before anything hit paper.
Be very sure about this, the City is the one that screwed this up from A to Z. Let there be no doubt in your mind.
October 27, 2009
8:28 p.m.
AppleJack writes:
PLEASE!! Just nuke that old piece of crap! The city council will NEVER agree on a project that will equally line all their pockets!!!
Just blow it up and make a nice park or something for real cheap.
Heck, create a fund raiser and call it "Bringing Down the House" and people can pay a dollar to swing a sledge hammer for a few minutes and for 20 dollars you can light and throw a stick of dynamite into the building. You'll make enough money to clean of this toxic waste dump!!
October 27, 2009
8:44 p.m.
ANativeOfTexas writes:
Our city has so much potential. We are a diamond in the rough. Unfortunately, our city council has no idea how to run a city so we will remain unpolished. We need to vote out all incumbents.
October 27, 2009
9:37 p.m.
Really_I_MeanReally writes:
Really?!? I Mean Really?!?...How long will this go on! I will be dead before a freakin decision is ever made about that place. The City of Corpus Christi, rather "The City of We Can't Make a Dang Decision for Shizzzz!!! Ugh.
October 27, 2009
9:38 p.m.
ChubnCC writes:
You have to be kidding me!! I thought the issue had been settled! I bet no other business are going to spend their time or money trying to bring their business here. Where is the change you promised Adame??
October 27, 2009
9:43 p.m.
cuellar_6#715527 writes:
It is a no wonder when kids finnish high school or graduate from either Del Mar or A&M-CC they get on I-37 and get out of Corpus Christi. They know there is no oppritunity here.
Honestly I would have liked someone to rebuild the Coliseum cause events at the ABC are such a rip off. Plus I know the Hockey games and the rodeo were better there.
October 27, 2009
9:44 p.m.
Really_I_MeanReally writes:
in response to ChubnCC:
You have to be kidding me!! I thought the issue had been settled! I bet no other business are going to spend their time or money trying to bring their business here. Where is the change you promised Adame??
Right! Adame is a joke and so are all the freaking council members!!!! I take my vote back...soooo disappointed a "dam me"!
October 27, 2009
9:44 p.m.
haceunano writes:
You all need to not make fun of Ms Leal. She is a decent, smart person that always asks the right questions at the right time. Just like those NRA and conservative folks would say: How would you like to attend the City Council meeting in Russia or Cuba. If you don't like it here go there!. The folks that really thought the Council would vote for Brass, you need to stay in CC so that you can learn how things work. I really thought Chesny had greased the skids a little more better. Oh well. Standby Mark.
October 27, 2009
9:48 p.m.
Islander98 writes:
in response to ANativeOfTexas:
Our city has so much potential. We are a diamond in the rough. Unfortunately, our city council has no idea how to run a city so we will remain unpolished. We need to vote out all incumbents.
who would you vote in? As long as City Council pays $6000 per year, the only folks that are going to run are the same old folks that are either wealthy and have conflicts of interest or retired and content with keeping things as they are.
Vote 'em in vote 'em out - it'll be the same.
October 27, 2009
9:49 p.m.
cc_webdog#243583 writes:
The Olympic swim training center is the best fit for our proud city. Not too hot, not too cold, just right. All of their quoted statements lead me to believe they know what they are doing.
October 27, 2009
9:49 p.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
Brass, I told you so!
Time to sue the bastards.
October 27, 2009
10:02 p.m.
rhapsodysmelody writes:
Tear it down just like Parkdale Plaza!
October 27, 2009
10:03 p.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
The city, with its twisted staff and Council do not have a clue nor care about the betterment of this community. You're a bunch of panty waisted good ol boyz who are the laughing stock of the nation.
NO ONE will ever consider having themselves put into a position of being spat at again. And to those who keep on coming on thinking you will get any support from these small town losers, when are you gonna learn? Forget this place!
Joe Gardner sued, now it's your chance!
October 27, 2009
10:15 p.m.
ilovecc writes:
Okay bloggers, let's show these four scumbags our might. Let's find four people to run AGAINST these four lowlifes who sold out our city.
1. Mark Scott At Large-against everything.
2. Nelda Martinez-fake sincerity follows Mark Scott.
3. Chris Adler-once a decent person now a complete sell out to the people of Corpus Christi.
4. John Marez-dumber than a stump, didn't know he was being fooled.
Let's find 4 decent and honorable people to be our real City Council. They will actually be replacing George Hawn, David Loeb, Leon Loeb and Trey McCampbell.
October 27, 2009
10:22 p.m.
sue-c#352597 writes:
I thought we would have a new breath of fresh air with a new City Council. But "executive session" and then they decide to vote against a company that is willing to put time, effort, and money into our downtown???? Is it just a coincidence that so many people voting against Brass happen to be in the real estate development arena? I am so mad I could just spit. This is the old boys club once again. The same old thing, the same old few making decisions that WILL NOT benefit Corpus Christi. I live on the island and I am sorry I voted for my alderwoman. IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN!!! Do these people think the citizens of Corpus Christi are so stupid we don't know what went on here today??? Parking garage, my eyeball. Can we get a rule or something that says if the City Council razes the MC, nobody who was on the Council or the Mayor or any of their family members can benefit financially from the land left for sale? Just wondering.
October 27, 2009
10:25 p.m.
Serenity writes:
I say tear it down along with the old courthouse. I am so sick of hearing about it all. We could just wait until next year and see what happens during hurricane season. No one wants a hurricane to hit here, but I guarantee one will knock these two buildings down.
October 27, 2009
10:34 p.m.
sue-c#352597 writes:
If so many of our city leaders are in the real estate business, why do they think it is a bad thing when a company wants to put time, effort and money into our downtown? Perhaps they didn't ever want it. Can we have a rule that says anyone sitting on this council and the mayor may not make any financial gains whatsoever on the land if the MC is torn down? This would, of course, include any and all relatives, holdings and other companies they may have a vested interested in. How do we do that?
This project is going nowhere. The site location is way too small. Even though I really wish it goes through, knowing how far behind Crapus is, it aint gonna happen. If it does, I will be shocked.
October 27, 2009
11:47 a.m.
dwp007#715457 writes:
Could we for once stop living in Mayberry and do something for the greater good of all?
I have lived all over the country and Corpus Christi is pathetic when it comes to local politics and getting things done. Pass this project and [finally] get our city pointed in the right direction in regard to economic growth and development.
That old eyesore of a building would have been completely redone about 4 1/2 years ago in a progressive minded, growth oriented city.
For once, council members, do something positive and constructive. - Barney Fife
October 27, 2009
11:52 a.m.
BringThePain writes:
To the City Council,
Please sell the property to the highest bidder, and let them develop however they feel. There are more important issues at hand to worry about.
Signed,
A Voter who will remember all of you at election time...
October 27, 2009
12:16 p.m.
modesto.sanchez51#717676 writes:
WELL, HERE WE GO AGAIN. SHOPS AND APARTMENTS...WHAT, BE REAL. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CORPUS AND LEFT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. I DO RETURN TO VISIT FAMILY AND MY PASSION FOR FISHING. ONE DAY I DECIDED TO TAKE A WALK ALONG THE SHORELINE. I ATTEMPTED TO WALK THE GETTY A FAVORITE FISHING SPOT AS A KID...IT WAS CHAINED CLOSED ALTHOUGH PEOPLE WALKED AROUND THE BARRIOR...RESTROOMS WERE CLOSED AND FRANKLY THE PLACE WAS QUITE PHILTHY. AS I WALKED THE SHORLINE TOWARDS THE CHANNEL, SADLY THE TRASH THAT POUNDED THE SEA WALL WAS QUITE SAD. HOW CAN THE COUNCIL...AND THE REST OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT ADDRESS THE COLISEUM AND EXPECT MONEY TO COME INTO THE SPARKLING CITY WHEN IT'S TRASHED OUT...HOW SAD...YES MY HOME TOWN. OH YES, AND THE STREETS...SURE COULD USE SOME NEW PAVING AND NOT PATCHING. IT'S THE ACCUMULATION OF THINGS THAT NEED WORKING ON TO SUSTAIN ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN CORPUS. YOU WOULD BE SUPRISED WHAT CHANGE WILL DO. PLEASE DO THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND NOT ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THINGS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND "MAKE IT HAPPEN" NOT JUST SIT THERE THINK YOU'RE FOOLING THE EDUCATED MIND. DON'T LOOSE RESPECT FOR YOURSELVES, AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO AMELIORATE THINGS IN CORPUS...THEY SIT THERE AND DETERIORATE.
October 27, 2009
12:46 p.m.
jks writes:
does anyone know if the last minute petition drive got enough signers to send this issue on another merry go round ride?
October 27, 2009
1:11 p.m.
bluegirlscout writes:
If the project is worthwhile, build it a block over where it won't obscure the bayfront or take away our city greenspace. Oh wait, they don't want to do that - they would have to spend their own money! Plenty of available property right across the street but no taxpayer subsidies. I'll keep my bayfront and parks - you keep your hand out of my wallet!
October 27, 2009
1:26 p.m.
256161 writes:
in response to jks:
does anyone know if the last minute petition drive got enough signers to send this issue on another merry go round ride?
Coliseum petition effort ongoing
www.caller.com/news/2009/oct/26/coliseum-petition-effort-ongoing/
October 27, 2009
1:28 p.m.
CarpeDiem writes:
I would be satisfied with either of these decisions to be made today, not tomorrow, not next week, TODAY:
1. Go full speed ahead with the Brass plan
2. Tear it down and start tearing it down tomorrow
Anything less means prolonging the agony, anything less means that we have zero decision makers on this Council, anything less means that nothing will ever change, anything less means that I have decisions to make for the sake of my mental health and the welfare of my family.
October 27, 2009
1:44 p.m.
ShinerDraft writes:
I'm for the Brass proposal, but at the same time I understand the desire to just tear it down & be done with it.
But be careful what you wish for. All that's going to do is add the words "former site of ..." to any headline dealing with ideas for the Coliseum.
In other words, there will be controversy on what to do with that site whether there's a building standing or not.
October 27, 2009
2:01 p.m.
DrSteevil writes:
in response to ShinerDraft:
I'm for the Brass proposal, but at the same time I understand the desire to just tear it down & be done with it.
But be careful what you wish for. All that's going to do is add the words "former site of ..." to any headline dealing with ideas for the Coliseum.
In other words, there will be controversy on what to do with that site whether there's a building standing or not.
You know, that's a very good point there. I wonder why it hasn't been brought up before? The only thing I can see as a positive though is that the eye-sore currently there will be gone.
October 27, 2009
2:09 p.m.
CarpeDiem writes:
in response to ShinerDraft:
I'm for the Brass proposal, but at the same time I understand the desire to just tear it down & be done with it.
But be careful what you wish for. All that's going to do is add the words "former site of ..." to any headline dealing with ideas for the Coliseum.
In other words, there will be controversy on what to do with that site whether there's a building standing or not.
"In other words, there will be controversy on what to do with that site whether there's a building standing or not."
and you are correct which is why I emphasized that a decision needs to be made. If you are elected to any office you must be able to make decisions and there are times that those decisions may not be popular or lack controversy. But my position is that this particular Council needs to MAKE a decision if for no other reason than to demonstrate that capability to the voters and taxpayers of this City.
October 27, 2009
3:41 p.m.
sue-c#352597 writes:
Give it to Brass. If they don't want it, give it to the swimming people. These are groups wanting to put money into our downtown. What is the matter with the City Council? We can have them keep their buildings as high or lower than the MC where it will not block any views. They even have those agreements in neighborhoods. This is not rocket science.
October 27, 2009
3:53 p.m.
whitetiger68#721889 writes:
This council is overloaded with realtors right
up to mayor.All they are doing now is seeing which one of them come our on top.All the realtors and bankers should
abstain oops no majority vote.
October 27, 2009
3:58 p.m.
penname writes:
The National Swimming Center Corporation says the Coliseum would save them $10 million in construction costs for the Olympic training center. They have $20 million in the bank to get started and would fix the roof and cosmetic problems right away. Say no to Brass and yes to the Olympic pool.
October 27, 2009
4:19 p.m.
CarpeDiem writes:
in response to whitetiger68#721889:
This council is overloaded with realtors right
up to mayor.All they are doing now is seeing which one of them come our on top.All the realtors and bankers should
abstain oops no majority vote.
So what should we load the Council with......, let's see, the homeless, the chronically unemployed, the illiterate. Try to understand this very simple premise, each and every resident and registered voter in this City has a vested interested with what happens on the Council, therefore each and every resident and registered voter has a "conflict of interest". It does not get any simpler than that.
I personally like the fact that there are realtors and title people on the Council...it translates real easy, they succeed, we all succeed, they make money, we get a better and bigger tax base, a bigger and better tax base means more cops, better streets, better parks, safer shopping, etc., etc., etc.
No, I am not a realtor, no, I am not in the title business. no, I don't have any property that I am trying to sell or buy. What I am is just another taxpayer whose taxes just went up and I still have to drive on torn up Staples, Cole Park is still not safe, downtown looks like World War 2 London, the streets are filthy, it has been three or 4 years that Development Services has been being "consulted" and they still can't get it right and all we can afford for a City Manager is "amateur hour" instead of a real true to life bonafide, qualified City Manager.
By the way, you can search my posts, I travel for a living and Corpus Christi is not even a convenient place to travel from in order to cover my territory. I am here because I like it here but we need to make changes and to stop going backwards.
Stop worrying about who will make a profit and look at the big picture or is that more than you can handle.?
October 27, 2009
4:26 p.m.
octomusangel writes:
Just do it.
October 27, 2009
4:55 p.m.
TANKPATTON writes:
Im so sick of this story.
October 27, 2009
4:56 p.m.
CarpeDiem writes:
"4:30 P.M.: Rey Madrigal, another member who supports saving the coliseum separate of Brass' plans, spoke to the council by himself afterward.
"I believe that Memorial Coliseum should be restored back to its original form," he said.
Madrigal is circulating a petition asking the council to do just that. He has more than half the signatures he needs, he said."
Question for you Mr. Madrigal...who is going to pay for this restoration? Surely not you based on your property tax records.
You should also stop misleading people, the Coliseum was not built to memorialize veterans. It was given the name Memorial Coliseum long after it was built.
The logical place for the Memorial plaque is Sherrill Park since this is the location that usually hosts all remembrance events. Of course you know this, I have seen you there on more than one occasion.
October 27, 2009
5:18 p.m.
Dude writes:
The live updates are great! Thanks CT!
RAZE THE HUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 27, 2009
5:31 p.m.
YETI writes:
BRASS OR RAZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 27, 2009
5:33 p.m.
Ag4Life writes:
Anyone notice that the majority of voices before the council today were community activists/complainers who never do anything other than stir things up to the point that it clutters the conversation and causes the city leaders to hold off making a decision?
These people are the ones to blame for nothing ever happening in our city. They get civic groups fighting against each other and create division in our communities. All they want to do is get in front of an audience or camera and be seen to inflate their own egos.
What lowly little souls they are. And what a misled council we have that even allows them to have a voice in the matter. Just get off of your thumbs and make a bleeping decision already.
SSDD!
October 27, 2009
5:38 p.m.
Ag4Life writes:
5:39 P.M..............Council still hoping for some kind of magic to appear and provide them with a pull-a-solution-outta-yourass end to this fiasco.
October 27, 2009
5:59 p.m.
ilovecc writes:
If the Council doesn't go through with this BRASS deal, does anyone know the formal process of kicking out the City Council before the next election?
October 27, 2009
6:29 p.m.
Esmael091956 writes:
in response to ilovecc:
If the Council doesn't go through with this BRASS deal, does anyone know the formal process of kicking out the City Council before the next election?
It's called a petition to impeach - if you go to the city's website there should be a protocol on there under "Government". If not, look up Texas Local Government Code and City Council election recall or impeachment.
October 27, 2009
7:02 p.m.
YETI writes:
I'm sorry I voted for you Adler..
October 27, 2009
7:02 p.m.
shelby67 writes:
WOW!!!
That's all I can say... Wow. This city really doesn't want to move forward, does it?
October 27, 2009
7:03 p.m.
gino65 writes:
Well no surprise, the council voted to break off negotiations with Brass. Well there is always next years hurricane season.
October 27, 2009
7:16 p.m.
Dutchess writes:
in response to dwp007#715457:
Could we for once stop living in Mayberry and do something for the greater good of all?
I have lived all over the country and Corpus Christi is pathetic when it comes to local politics and getting things done. Pass this project and [finally] get our city pointed in the right direction in regard to economic growth and development.
That old eyesore of a building would have been completely redone about 4 1/2 years ago in a progressive minded, growth oriented city.
For once, council members, do something positive and constructive. - Barney Fife
I think living in Mayberry would be better than this ....
October 27, 2009
7:16 p.m.
CarpeDiem writes:
Am I the only one that has no clue in understanding what Leal said?
October 27, 2009
7:23 p.m.
ilovecc writes:
400 permanent jobs-gone
1,500 temporary jobs-gone
$90 million development-gone
Chris Adler, John Marez, Mark Scott and Nelda Martinez are a disgrace to Corpus Christi.
October 27, 2009
7:25 p.m.
Seal writes:
O'Connell said the group learned a lot during the proposal process that could help it finish the job now.
"Corpus Christi politics are different than anywhere else," he said.
nuff said.
October 27, 2009
7:28 p.m.
MikeInCC writes:
I am as disappointed as anybody that the negotiations with Brass have ended. However, after watching the negotiation team's presentation tonight, there were some things that came to light that I can see why the deal wasn't so good. The project needed to be completed in its entirety, and Brass wasn't willing to commit beyond redeveloping the Coliseum and the apartments. Before you jump down the Council's throat, wait until you get the full story of why they decided to end it. You might agree with them too after you know the facts.
October 27, 2009
7:33 p.m.
penname writes:
HOORAY!!!!!!!
October 27, 2009
7:35 p.m.
ctx39441#331813 writes:
I am very embarrassed for my city. Tear it down NOW! We are the joke of the state. INEPT, INEPT, INEPT, INEPT!
October 27, 2009
7:35 p.m.
tx_organic writes:
We should just leave it alone and rename the place to the "Selena once lived here, and I went to a concert, and circus, and a hockey game there once colosseum" or...the "We have no sense of positive direction in this town colosseum". Why don't we just make it into a massive church, taqueria, mercado, used car lot combo facility? Then everyone would have to go to just one place to meet all of their needs. Or how about a Planned Parenthood superplex? Or a new TAMs school...no wait...it's not big enough for that. WHEN WILL CORPUS CHRISTI OPEN IT'S EYES TO THE FUTURE AND TAKE IT"S EYES OFF OF THE PAST???????!!!!!!!!!
October 27, 2009
7:37 p.m.
helogeek#713679 writes:
We should just leave it alone and rename the place to the "Selena once lived here, and I went to a concert, and circus, and a hockey game there once colosseum" or...the "We have no sense of positive direction in this town colosseum". Why don't we just make it into a massive church, taqueria, mercado, used car lot combo facility? Then everyone would have to go to just one place to meet all of their needs. Or how about a Planned Parenthood superplex? Or a new TAMs school...no wait...it's not big enough for that. WHEN WILL CORPUS CHRISTI OPEN IT'S EYES TO THE FUTURE AND TAKE IT"S EYES OFF OF THE PAST???????!!!!!!!!!
October 27, 2009
7:39 p.m.
ccmarina11#248620 writes:
Swim center.
October 27, 2009
7:40 p.m.
helogeek#713679 writes:
I give up caring about this city a long time ago.
October 27, 2009
7:40 p.m.
1callerblogger writes:
I am originally from CC born and raised. Moved to Houston 20 years ago. I was fortunate to move back to CC for a year in an employment contract position. I lived on the 12th floor of a condo overlooking the beautiful beach and bay. I was really embarassed when friends and family came to visit because the coliseum was the landmark. "Turn at the old dilapidated building with the torn up green roof". I never mentioned the "haunted looking", empty county courthouse. What is also a major eyesore is all the empty concrete spaces from former car lots, building foundations, failed businesses, etc. My unprofessional, humble opinion is tear the poor thing down. Excavate it and ask the owners of the other empty concrete pastures to do the same. Plant those lots in nice greenery, just grass would do, and that would go a long way, inexpensively, for those landowners after tax breaks, to at least dress up the Shoreline area displaying some "green" for the tourists that CC's economy relies so strongly on. I think that I spelled everything right. My "checks" screwed.
October 27, 2009
7:43 p.m.
tx_organic writes:
Thank you for your support helogeek :-)
October 27, 2009
7:43 p.m.
thirdcoast writes:
Kudos to City Council for making this decision. I support it 100 percent. We need something to happen there but not a huge monstrosity like the Brass Development.
October 27, 2009
7:44 p.m.
gino65 writes:
in response to CarpeDiem:
Am I the only one that has no clue in understanding what Leal said?
Leal has absolutely no business sitting on the council. If you look real close you can see that there is actually someone else’s hard up the back of her shirt making her lips move. And yet, she was reelected. That speaks volumes about the voters in this city.
October 27, 2009
7:48 p.m.
Brit writes:
Why are we NOT surprised by this. Its how EVERY project ideas ends up in this town.
What we have to do now is face that Corpus will always be the backward, non-progressive town it has been for decades, watching cities once smaller than ours pass us by the wayside.
October 27, 2009
7:50 p.m.
Esmael091956 writes:
in response to CarpeDiem:
Am I the only one that has no clue in understanding what Leal said?
I wonder that every time she speaks! So glad to know I am not the only one seeking a translator when she is finished! :)
October 27, 2009
7:50 p.m.
I'm shocked.....NOT
October 27, 2009
7:51 p.m.
rmacjr writes:
OMG... This is so pathetic!
The Coliseum, pot hole roads, Corpus Christi politics, A&M wanting to expand, graffiti, stabbings & shooting, harbor bridge lighting up, Las Brisas, corruption @ CCPD administration, over crowding of the jail, homeless population, Kemah Boardwalk, Schlitterbahn Water Park, Sea World, Columbus Ships rotting, Old Nueces County Courthouse . . .
And the list goes on!
I love my home (Corpus Christi) but sometimes I sit back and wonder how we end up in these situations.
October 27, 2009
7:51 p.m.
quiet_guy_1999#245313 writes:
in response to gino65:
Leal has absolutely no business sitting on the council. If you look real close you can see that there is actually someone else’s hard up the back of her shirt making her lips move. And yet, she was reelected. That speaks volumes about the voters in this city.
LOL!! Stupid but very funny!! Thanks for the chuckle!
October 27, 2009
7:52 p.m.
gino65 writes:
in response to ccmarina11#248620:
Swim center.
If the Brass deal was too expensive for the council how can they even look at the swim center again? It was more money and they wanted to own the land. Sound like a great deal? Development and pie dreams are wonderful things but in the real world they cost money. Do you know where the money comes from? Everyone raise your hands.
October 27, 2009
7:59 p.m.
gino65 writes:
in response to rmacjr:
OMG... This is so pathetic!
The Coliseum, pot hole roads, Corpus Christi politics, A&M wanting to expand, graffiti, stabbings & shooting, harbor bridge lighting up, Las Brisas, corruption @ CCPD administration, over crowding of the jail, homeless population, Kemah Boardwalk, Schlitterbahn Water Park, Sea World, Columbus Ships rotting, Old Nueces County Courthouse . . .
And the list goes on!
I love my home (Corpus Christi) but sometimes I sit back and wonder how we end up in these situations.
Very simple, you reelect the same people who did nothing during their previous term(s). Why? Apathy, laziness, uniformed / uneducated voters, and too many people who don’t want to lose their view of the bay or gulf. I guess while they are looking at the water they can’t see the trash at their feet.
October 27, 2009
7:59 p.m.
agitator writes:
THIS IS THE WORSE PIECE OF CRAP CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
in response to publicenemy357:
Careful : Gomer Pyle ,She is a lot smarter than say , YOU & A few other Lame Brains on these posts . And for once you said something that made sense she was Re Elected !! Try spell ck Smartie
Caution : :Thin Wet Ice Ahead
Publicenemy you must be one of the brainiacs who voted for Leal. She is a puppet for Roland Garza. By the way she was reelected. Try using a dictionary before you exhibit your ignorance again. Reelect, verb, to elect for another term according to Merriam Webster. A product of the CCISD?
October 27, 2009
11:51 p.m.
gino65 writes:
in response to haceunano:
You all need to not make fun of Ms Leal. She is a decent, smart person that always asks the right questions at the right time. Just like those NRA and conservative folks would say: How would you like to attend the City Council meeting in Russia or Cuba. If you don't like it here go there!. The folks that really thought the Council would vote for Brass, you need to stay in CC so that you can learn how things work. I really thought Chesny had greased the skids a little more better. Oh well. Standby Mark.
If we were in Russia or Cuba at least they would have made a decision. “you need to stay in CC so that you can learn how things work” I think I have seen enough. I think we need some “more better” council members.
October 28, 2009
midnight
ccskibunny writes:
No surprise to me. I always thought the Brass deal was a little too "pie in the sky" to really work. And way too much "stuff" forced into a small space, taking away from the beauty of and access to the Bayfront.
Although I would like something in this City to be proud of. Downtown is an embarrassment. And there is nothing to do, once you get past the beach and fishing. Perhaps it is time to consider a casino. I would like to see gambling pass, and a nice resort casino come here to CC.
I would like to see a really nice Bayfront park developed on the site.....once you lose the green space, you never get it back. And yes, tear down the Coliseum, build an appropriate memorial with the rest of the memorials and tear down the rotting building that has become a haven for the homeless. There are plenty of other spaces available for development, as long as people are willing to get creative.
October 28, 2009
12:27 a.m.
bluegirlscout writes:
in response to sue-c#352597:
Give it to Brass. If they don't want it, give it to the swimming people. These are groups wanting to put money into our downtown. What is the matter with the City Council? We can have them keep their buildings as high or lower than the MC where it will not block any views. They even have those agreements in neighborhoods. This is not rocket science.
Don't GIVE it to anyone. It belongs to the citizens of Corpus Christi. Ice skating rinks and swimming pools could be put anywhere in town. Sunrise mall comes to mind. These big developers have money. If their projects are good they will be good investments for the developers. They could put "money into downtown" without feeding at the public trough. There is lots of available space downtown and elsewhere. Taxpayers should not be giving away our cash or our parks and bayfront. Apartments have no place on McGee beach. People come to CC for the BEACH not to swim in a pool or ice skate. Once you give it over to development, you won't get it back. Heck, we own the Coliseum and can't get rid of the eyesore. Do we really need to give our kids Sunrise Mall on McGee beach? I don't think so. Stick with what we voted for on the master plan. It should be a green space/festival area with extra parking and public restrooms for McGee beach and without the Coliseum. Raze the Hut! I'm for development of downtown and for ice skating and swimming. I'm just against funding the bread circuses at public expense.
October 28, 2009
12:33 a.m.
publicenemy357 writes:
in response to ilovecc:
The public needs to understand that the parking garage was NEVER a part of the cities RFP. The parking garage was an idea brought forth by BRASS. The Council was too STUPID to understand that the city could get millions of dollars from the Feds for the parking garage. Then, after BRASS explained it to them, Mark Scott demanded a parking garage.
This was a trick by Mark Scott and others to dupe the public into thinking that if BRASS didn't have the parking garage in place, it was a deal killer.
What actually happen is they were not suppose to use the land since the public voted for the 2008 bonds and they had the street realignment and park improvements plans drawn up for those bond monies .Plus the south end of Shoreline had restriction on it about what could be put on it .It was going to be a Big slap in the face when someone finally would figure it out .Not sure butt , I think the ousted attorney was let go for not catching the mistake .Butt , I do know there are some previous plans around for that area that are never being mentioned . As for the Coliseum someone still needs to hold the roofing company liable for damages or the insurance company at the time of closing it down .
To many If's and Butt's to list .
October 28, 2009
12:36 a.m.
bluegirlscout writes:
in response to ilovecc:
If the Council doesn't go through with this BRASS deal, does anyone know the formal process of kicking out the City Council before the next election?
we have a process,. it is called V-O-T-I_N-G! However, I think they called this one right!
October 28, 2009
12:40 a.m.
juanro writes:
Have y'all seen that funny Sears commercial with Brett Favre as a customer, "agonizing over making a decision"? They ought to come down here and make a commercial with the entire city council. Now, THAT would be funny LOL. Sorry, gotta laff to keep from cryin'.
October 28, 2009
12:48 a.m.
gino65 writes:
in response to ilovecc:
The public needs to understand that the parking garage was NEVER a part of the cities RFP. The parking garage was an idea brought forth by BRASS. The Council was too STUPID to understand that the city could get millions of dollars from the Feds for the parking garage. Then, after BRASS explained it to them, Mark Scott demanded a parking garage.
This was a trick by Mark Scott and others to dupe the public into thinking that if BRASS didn't have the parking garage in place, it was a deal killer.
You make a profound comment. This entire deal (and many before) where thrown away due to our inept council. If you want some real entertainment listen to the last 10- 15 minutes of this evening’s council meeting. These people could not agree if the sky was blue or grass was green. Proof positive that you get what you pay for. $6K per year equates to members who make enough money to do the job part time and most likely have a conflicting interest.
October 28, 2009
2:24 a.m.
birdboy78374 writes:
Things will never change in my hometown. No wonder I left. This city lives in the past! Grow up CC.
October 28, 2009
4 a.m.
elricko writes:
in response to Brit:
Why are we NOT surprised by this. Its how EVERY project ideas ends up in this town.
What we have to do now is face that Corpus will always be the backward, non-progressive town it has been for decades, watching cities once smaller than ours pass us by the wayside.
You must mean; "Why IS everyone surprised by this decision???"
I have a geat idea!!! Turn it into a prison. We need it for all the criminals moving to our city. Prisoners get more tax money than our students do!
October 28, 2009
5:02 a.m.
cbeshears#714811 writes:
Aint nuthing much ever gonna happen here 'cause City Council et al never seem to listen to their constituents, much less make any 'decisions'. So... we remain a stagnant, boring, backwater town on Corpus Christ Bay and our young folks can't wait to get the hell out of here! Can't say I really blame 'em! As for me, other than fishin and beach-combing on Padre - neither of which interests me in the least - aint nuthing else goin on here folks! BUT: get a few new, first-rate, exciting gambling casinos in the defunct downtown area and watch the tourists flock in from all over our State to let their hair down and have some fun! What an idea! Vegas and Reno scenically have nothing comparable with our bayfront and magnificent drive down Ocean Drive (once the MC 'eyesore'is mercifully obliterated). Of course, casino tax revenues for our City and County coffers would make possible vast City improvements without further bleeding money out of local residents.But then...
this is yet another idea beyond the ken of local political powers-that-be, tsk tsk...
October 28, 2009
5:06 a.m.
Gatekeeper writes:
Forget the Coliseum, When is Gollihar Road going to get fixed, its so bumpy it reminds me of my Trip to Athens Greece.
October 28, 2009
5:37 a.m.
mexicatl6#401467 writes:
Congratulations to Ray Madrigal for his and his organization's efforts to save the coliseum. That is civil participation at its best. We should serious consider the Olympic Swimming option and good developoment. Privatizing the best real estate in Corpus Christi is bad for the public. It should be used for the public's benefit, not private individuals and corporations who would charge us for the use of our own resources.
October 28, 2009
5:49 a.m.
g3 writes:
in response to CarpeDiem:
Am I the only one that has no clue in understanding what Leal said?
The only ones to understand what Leal says are waiters and waitresses.
October 28, 2009
6:58 a.m.
haceunano writes:
in response to modesto.sanchez51#717676:
WELL, HERE WE GO AGAIN. SHOPS AND APARTMENTS...WHAT, BE REAL. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CORPUS AND LEFT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. I DO RETURN TO VISIT FAMILY AND MY PASSION FOR FISHING. ONE DAY I DECIDED TO TAKE A WALK ALONG THE SHORELINE. I ATTEMPTED TO WALK THE GETTY A FAVORITE FISHING SPOT AS A KID...IT WAS CHAINED CLOSED ALTHOUGH PEOPLE WALKED AROUND THE BARRIOR...RESTROOMS WERE CLOSED AND FRANKLY THE PLACE WAS QUITE PHILTHY. AS I WALKED THE SHORLINE TOWARDS THE CHANNEL, SADLY THE TRASH THAT POUNDED THE SEA WALL WAS QUITE SAD. HOW CAN THE COUNCIL...AND THE REST OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT ADDRESS THE COLISEUM AND EXPECT MONEY TO COME INTO THE SPARKLING CITY WHEN IT'S TRASHED OUT...HOW SAD...YES MY HOME TOWN. OH YES, AND THE STREETS...SURE COULD USE SOME NEW PAVING AND NOT PATCHING. IT'S THE ACCUMULATION OF THINGS THAT NEED WORKING ON TO SUSTAIN ANY KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN CORPUS. YOU WOULD BE SUPRISED WHAT CHANGE WILL DO. PLEASE DO THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND NOT ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THINGS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND "MAKE IT HAPPEN" NOT JUST SIT THERE THINK YOU'RE FOOLING THE EDUCATED MIND. DON'T LOOSE RESPECT FOR YOURSELVES, AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO AMELIORATE THINGS IN CORPUS...THEY SIT THERE AND DETERIORATE.
One must be careful when using all CAPS when typing comments herein. There is a person amongst us that will come and response to you when using caps: QUIT SCREAMING. Don't you know the rules, this is computer 101!!!!. The person must be on vacation or traveling with the tea party folks.
Everything you write is so true.
October 28, 2009
7:10 a.m.
ridley writes:
much of the angst over discontinuing the brass deal would go away if the real facts were known. of course the caller will not tell you, that is if they even know.
October 28, 2009
7:25 a.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
".....The San Antonio-based company wants to refurbish the coliseum and convert it into an ice skating rink and permanent home for the Corpus Christi IceRays. It also plans to develop apartments, a hotel, restaurants and shops on the land around the coliseum."
Ohhhhhhhh, the horrors of such a plan! ^ ^ ^
Improve corpitos? The "leadership" and the City aint up to the task. Now kiddies, repeat after me....
I LIKE BLIGHT! I LIKE BLIGHT! I LIKE BLIGHT! I LIKE BLIGHT!
Gawd this is funny. :-)
October 28, 2009
7:27 a.m.
Fireboy writes:
NOW can we do what we should have done in the first place and build the swim center. Our young swimmers need this, our city needs this, and for all of us that are tried of hearing about this subject.
PLEASE build it and they will come. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
October 28, 2009
7:37 a.m.
Dude writes:
The Brass plan was exposed for what it was, a nearly free permanent home for a Hockey team that has never quite made it in all these years.
Shame on council for falling for that to begin with!
Now keep your promise! Mayor, council, you PROMISED action!!!!
RAZE THE HUT!!!!!
October 28, 2009
7:40 a.m.
LadyVulcan writes:
For God's sake, developers are going to STOP presenting opportunities to the city! Every idea gets shot down, but no better ones take their place.
THIS is the kind of thing that makes graduates leave Corpus Christi. Why stay in a town with no growth and few jobs when you could move someplace like Houston or Austin, where things ACTUALLY HAPPEN?
October 28, 2009
7:44 a.m.
Riptide writes:
Tear this eye sore down. Enough already with this mess. It's been going on much to long.
October 28, 2009
7:47 a.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
in response to Fireboy:
NOW can we do what we should have done in the first place and build the swim center. Our young swimmers need this, our city needs this, and for all of us that are tried of hearing about this subject.
PLEASE build it and they will come. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That is a perfect example of small town thinking regarding the use of resources, improving the tax base and infrastructure, etc.
In fact, I think this nearsighted idea for such a minority interest is all wet lol. Brass' plan would have attracted all kinds of people from all walks of life. What you do is take that draw, spin off of it and increase the frequency and impact of side venues like swim meets at the nanatorium.
I'll give you an example. My (new) community had a food and wine festival last weekend. It was so successful that there wasn't a room available even in the nearby small towns located 30 miles away! That includes all of the booked up B&B's which number over 400 here too. There were spin-offs, side attractions like a Muscle and Classic car auction, the golf course was loaded as were the shops, art shows, restaurants.....there were bands at the clubs and cafes, etc.
Think outside of the box ~
October 28, 2009
7:55 a.m.
714544 writes:
typical CC politics at work.....when friends come over from houst/sa/ anywhere else...in txs...Im constantly reminded of how pathetic our "sleepy little village" is....and it shall remain so till the council grows some...and make a "real decision"....
Fireboy writes:
NOW can we do what we should have done in the first place and build the swim center. Our young swimmers need this, our city needs this, and for all of us that are tried of hearing about this subject.
PLEASE build it and they will come. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
October 28, 2009
7:37 a.m.
Dude writes:
The Brass plan was exposed for what it was, a nearly free permanent home for a Hockey team that has never quite made it in all these years.
Shame on council for falling for that to begin with!
Now keep your promise! Mayor, council, you PROMISED action!!!!
RAZE THE HUT!!!!!
October 28, 2009
7:40 a.m.
LadyVulcan writes:
For God's sake, developers are going to STOP presenting opportunities to the city! Every idea gets shot down, but no better ones take their place.
THIS is the kind of thing that makes graduates leave Corpus Christi. Why stay in a town with no growth and few jobs when you could move someplace like Houston or Austin, where things ACTUALLY HAPPEN?
October 28, 2009
7:44 a.m.
Riptide writes:
Tear this eye sore down. Enough already with this mess. It's been going on much to long.
October 28, 2009
7:47 a.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
in response to Fireboy:
NOW can we do what we should have done in the first place and build the swim center. Our young swimmers need this, our city needs this, and for all of us that are tried of hearing about this subject.
PLEASE build it and they will come. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That is a perfect example of small town thinking regarding the use of resources, improving the tax base and infrastructure, etc.
In fact, I think this nearsighted idea for such a minority interest is all wet lol. Brass' plan would have attracted all kinds of people from all walks of life. What you do is take that draw, spin off of it and increase the frequency and impact of side venues like swim meets at the nanatorium.
I'll give you an example. My (new) community had a food and wine festival last weekend. It was so successful that there wasn't a room available even in the nearby small towns located 30 miles away! That includes all of the booked up B&B's which number over 400 here too. There were spin-offs, side attractions like a Muscle and Classic car auction, the golf course was loaded as were the shops, art shows, restaurants.....there were bands at the clubs and cafes, etc.
Think outside of the box ~
October 28, 2009
7:55 a.m.
714544 writes:
typical CC politics at work.....when friends come over from houst/sa/ anywhere else...in txs...Im constantly reminded of how pathetic our "sleepy little village" is....and it shall remain so till the council grows some...and make a "real decision"....
October 28, 2009
8:17 a.m.
gino65 writes:
in response to mexicatl6#401467:
Congratulations to Ray Madrigal for his and his organization's efforts to save the coliseum. That is civil participation at its best. We should serious consider the Olympic Swimming option and good developoment. Privatizing the best real estate in Corpus Christi is bad for the public. It should be used for the public's benefit, not private individuals and corporations who would charge us for the use of our own resources.
So which unfunded option do you want? Madrigal wants to restore it so we will have two venues losing money. The Olympic Swim option gives away the land and building on top of costing more than the Brass deal. Make sure you are ready to vote for a bond to fund this.
October 28, 2009
8:26 a.m.
JavelinaWildcat writes:
in response to mexicatl6#401467:
Congratulations to Ray Madrigal for his and his organization's efforts to save the coliseum. That is civil participation at its best. We should serious consider the Olympic Swimming option and good developoment. Privatizing the best real estate in Corpus Christi is bad for the public. It should be used for the public's benefit, not private individuals and corporations who would charge us for the use of our own resources.
Oh please. Madrigal was just trying to stir up the pot just like the people mentioned in Sunday's article who were wanting to stop this thing. The "Club" accomplished their goal AGAIN.
October 28, 2009
8:27 a.m.
rbubp writes:
I'm not from CC. I've been here watching for a little while.
I am astounded you have put up with this sort of incompetence for so long. You have an amazing location that 98% of the rest of the world would kill for, and you don't know what to do with it. Well, Howdy Doody above is right--you need to start just about anywhere as long as it's a huge change, because small changes aren't going to cut it at this point.
Ice skating and hockey are great for the local residents, but tourists will have to come for other things...the Columbus ships, a better downtown, a boardwalk and/or a pier, a freaking golf course, a waterpark (not all of it has to go downtown).
I'm amazed at the disconnect in understanding that increased revenues equal increased tax revenues from OUTSIDERS. You help pay for it now, it yields to being able to pay for things later, like better roads and schools. What is it this city so afraid of?
October 28, 2009
8:29 a.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
Dumb move Council. Ya blew another opportunity. Hey Corpus, when ya gonna stop flipping buggars at peeps that wanna believe in ya? Stupid is as stupid does.
The following would be fittin' for this Council and City:
"If you're so smart, how come you aint rich?"
October 28, 2009
8:30 a.m.
Ag4Life writes:
I've really supported everything Joe Adame has done up until now. He set a timetable for a decision to be made and even removed himself from the discussion process to avoid a conflict of interest perception.
On the news last night, he mentioned that he was dissappointed in the outcome and said he will review their legal position in hopes that he could reconnect with Brass in the negotiations.
Shame on you, Joe. Just because you didn't like the outcome you now want to change the rules? You set the timetable and the rules for engagement. Now live with it. The next step should be to tear the coliseum down. Joe, don't reneg on your commitments like your predecessor did. Take your lumps and move on.
October 28, 2009
8:44 a.m.
ctx39441#331813 writes:
in response to 1callerblogger:
I am originally from CC born and raised. Moved to Houston 20 years ago. I was fortunate to move back to CC for a year in an employment contract position. I lived on the 12th floor of a condo overlooking the beautiful beach and bay. I was really embarassed when friends and family came to visit because the coliseum was the landmark. "Turn at the old dilapidated building with the torn up green roof". I never mentioned the "haunted looking", empty county courthouse. What is also a major eyesore is all the empty concrete spaces from former car lots, building foundations, failed businesses, etc. My unprofessional, humble opinion is tear the poor thing down. Excavate it and ask the owners of the other empty concrete pastures to do the same. Plant those lots in nice greenery, just grass would do, and that would go a long way, inexpensively, for those landowners after tax breaks, to at least dress up the Shoreline area displaying some "green" for the tourists that CC's economy relies so strongly on. I think that I spelled everything right. My "checks" screwed.
Your comments make a LOT of good sense. I might add clean up the garbage along the waterfront. Wave action banging garbage against the steps on shoreline is disgusting.
October 28, 2009
8:49 a.m.
weatherchick writes:
I guess we will have to say goodbye to the IceRays,now.
October 28, 2009
8:54 a.m.
TheViking writes:
Well there goes the Ice Rays. We actually have a professional sports team here for 10 years but without a place other than the ABC to practice and play they will have to find a new home. They CAN NOT finacially survive at the ABC. They can not draw a steady crowd large enough for such a venue. Now we have an eye sore and we will be loosing a source of intertainment in a year. And people wonder why CC looses buisness. NO ONE here can make a decision! They are always changing thier minds. You CAN NOT make absolutly eveyone happy, you just need to make a decision that will help the city and STICK TO IT. CC will not grow because what buisness in its right mind will want to come here. We don't even take care of the ones we have (Whataburger, the IceRays). Who will be the next ones on thier way out, Stripes?
October 28, 2009
8:58 a.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
in response to Ag4Life:
I've really supported everything Joe Adame has done up until now. He set a timetable for a decision to be made and even removed himself from the discussion process to avoid a conflict of interest perception.
On the news last night, he mentioned that he was dissappointed in the outcome and said he will review their legal position in hopes that he could reconnect with Brass in the negotiations.
Shame on you, Joe. Just because you didn't like the outcome you now want to change the rules? You set the timetable and the rules for engagement. Now live with it. The next step should be to tear the coliseum down. Joe, don't reneg on your commitments like your predecessor did. Take your lumps and move on.
You said it well, "Shame on you, Joe. Just because you didn't like the outcome you now want to change the rules?"
In a roundabout way you made an excellent point, it's all about trust. There is no honor or boundaries in this town, anything goes and the loyalty resides with The Group in charge.
Do you think anyone dealing with this City has one inkling of trust left? I'm talking Bayfront Associates back in the 80's, Landry's, Brass, and how many more as the tawdry theatrics play out, witness how Smith and Escobar were handled?
For months I blogged, warning Brass regarding these nitwits and how they do biz. Guess they understand now. Shame they had to learn the hard way, even saying publicly that they would do what it takes to please the Council. Whew!
October 28, 2009
9:11 a.m.
JavelinaWildcat writes:
in response to HowdyDoody:
You said it well, "Shame on you, Joe. Just because you didn't like the outcome you now want to change the rules?"
In a roundabout way you made an excellent point, it's all about trust. There is no honor or boundaries in this town, anything goes and the loyalty resides with The Group in charge.
Do you think anyone dealing with this City has one inkling of trust left? I'm talking Bayfront Associates back in the 80's, Landry's, Brass, and how many more as the tawdry theatrics play out, witness how Smith and Escobar were handled?
For months I blogged, warning Brass regarding these nitwits and how they do biz. Guess they understand now. Shame they had to learn the hard way, even saying publicly that they would do what it takes to please the Council. Whew!
Mayor Adame's decesion to abstain from the process was a HUGE mistake. Why he backed down on this is mind boggling? It was a chance to stair down some of these people that are behind the anti growth movement.
I want the council people who voted against this and gave us another bloody nose to be exposed. Thanks to the Caller Time for at least giving us some clues in that Sunday article about who the pupet masters are. Some of us have long know who they are, but at least the public at large know sees who pulls the strings and decided what Corpus can and cannot have. If it doesn't help their interests (IE pocketbook and real estate portfolio) did they will use misinformation and lies to kill it like "Don't let them steal our beach." Or "Don't let them steal our bayfront." Their fingerprints are all over killing progress in this city and as a result, we pay for it today with poor infrastructure, the brain drain, etc.
Once upon a time, people from Corpus northward used to laugh at Valley and Laredo for being the "Last Frontier." I know first hand because I lived down there before it started growing and used to hear the talk up here because I had relatives and friends who lived up here. It's done a total 180 and now Corpus is that "Last Frontier" and they now laugh at us! Sad indeed.
October 28, 2009
9:14 a.m.
ndcincc writes:
in response to Fireboy:
NOW can we do what we should have done in the first place and build the swim center. Our young swimmers need this, our city needs this, and for all of us that are tried of hearing about this subject.
PLEASE build it and they will come. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dont get your hopes up too high, the council will just find and excuse not to do that either. I knew they would not follow thru on the Brass deal, it was just too good to be true. i just wish they would do something with that eyesore. It's been sitting there just deteriorating for too long.
October 28, 2009
9:28 a.m.
mwbeyer777#232558 writes:
No doubt the wonderful city council runs off another project. Doesn't anyone else see a problem here? Who turns away developments like this? NOONE will ever want to work with this city. They will learn their lesson when CC becomes Detroit of Texas.
October 28, 2009
9:38 a.m.
ag84blue12 writes:
Tear it down
October 28, 2009
10 a.m.
60texan#713155 writes:
Why do I somehow believe that it will wind up in the hands of Spohn Hospital or someone else conncected with medicine?
I guess because the medical field has all the money. The republicans special interest group.
I guess because they already have bayfront domination.
I guess because they are the only ones who have built anything new in the downtown bayfront area for about twenty years.
October 28, 2009
10:05 a.m.
keepitsmiling12 writes:
I firmly believe that both plans are great for that part of town. The swimming center does offer an Olympic training tie in and thus, I feel gives the city a potentially better long range use of the facility. There are huge empty lots behind and to the right of the Coliseum. Why is it that those without any business conflicts on the council don’t offer incentives for buying and building those lots? I know that those are privately listed but, you cant tell me that some incentive cant be offered to the Brass project for their venture. That type of project is needed to infuse more of the right type of people living downtown. Young renters who will take advantage of the off the ground then that is a great fit for that area. We need to strike a balance between tourist and local growth for downtown.
Most on the council are successful and enlightened individuals. Why is this concept so hard to grasp? The Southside can sprawl onto to field after field and they cant find a simple plan to develop a couple of blocks. Is it greed? Lack of common sense?
Im glad they don’t run A/M CC. The A/M system is had really added and is adding some of the best construction in the area on that campus. They have a first rate performing arts center and the academic buildings being built currently are really transforming the look of the campus for the better. Their growth and progressive move forward can only benefit Corpus Christi…..I just wish it would mirror Corpus Christi.
October 28, 2009
10:22 a.m.
PABZ writes:
Tear it down tomorrow! It was ugly when build and still ugly site. Lets move forward with new worthy projects build for the good of all. Build something to last!
October 28, 2009
10:24 a.m.
Lugnut writes:
Just tear the thing down. I was all in favor of the Brass deal but this is WAY past ridiculous. We can't decide on ANYTHING and I'll be happy to tell the council member that voted no that they're worthless and the reason Corpus will NEVER progress. Look what San Antonio did with a little river and we have all of this natural beauty and it goes to waste.
October 28, 2009
10:30 a.m.
acetsar writes:
Grow some balls! Put a little picture on a rock and be happy. Remember to show the new Coliseum back then. Remember we are the main area for people in San Ant. to go fishing to have fun by the water. Main port to San Ant. If the people in council are waiting because they want more money in there pockets, people of Corpus will find out. So dumb asses lets build are city and clean are city and HAVE SOMEONE EASY PAY (BRASS) or A new planner!! AcE
October 28, 2009
10:33 a.m.
hizzo7#714905 writes:
you know the inner discussions with the brass people was nothing but a show they wanted for the city to foot the bill for their project wish people would be made aware of those inner disscussions they wanted to spend nothing out of their pockets wanted the city to give them expenses for them if they would have to pay for fixing or upgrading and anything over 5000.00 dollars the city would have to pay for yes we want to improve that area but we taxpayers should not foot the bill tear it down green space build the area behind the collisum that privately owned apts. whatever but those owners would do that. the vote was and is correct move foward tear down the coll.and start to spend the 13 million bond money we voted for to improve that area then you can see where the interest will be to build from the properties that are owned by private citizens behind and around that area
October 28, 2009
10:34 a.m.
theyoungs#321845 writes:
Gentleman from the OLYMPIC swim association: "We came here and it was like, 'So? Show us the money. Who are you?'" he said. " I don't think we were prepared for that. We are now." Wow, how professional of the city council! A national swim center could be a huge thing for that dumpy city. Investment firms would buy, build and improve the surrounding property.
But that's the problem with some council members. It's all about money or personal financial gain, but they have no vested interest in doing anything for that city except holding up progress. Get em' out of there! Do something productive for a change. First and foremost, quit releasing water from Lake CC until Choke Canyon is empty too! It's sole purpose was to feed Lake CC with water to maintain consistent levels, and it hasn't happened once. Choke Canyon Res. holds 3 times the capacity of water than does Lake CC, and it is full.
October 28, 2009
10:41 a.m.
Lugnut writes:
Nope, we don't want to improve the area, we don't want to spend any money, we don't want anyone to make any money off the deal, we don't to get off our fat rear ends to appreciate the beauty we have, we don't like change, we don't want to be like the other guys, we don't want to block our view of ANYTHING, we don't want ferris wheels, but other than that we're open to anything else and I'm sure ALL of Corpus Christi will get behind the new idea...100%. Yeah, right.
October 28, 2009
10:54 a.m.
cavranger60#449976 writes:
So glad I moved out of Corruptus back in 93!! I see it has not changed!! The city counsel of fair-the--the wells is still intact!! So nice to sit at the river walk in San Antonio and watch the tourists pour their money at the restaraunts and bars. I have heard several tourists come back from Corruptus, "oh the bayfront is so awful...that rotting building by the bridge.. and that big building with green rotting roof!!" I am not making this up..except for the beach at padre island..I think corruptus would fade away!!
October 28, 2009
11:08 a.m.
dc writes:
How embarassing it is for us living in CC. They keep asking for bids and ideas...why??? so they can just have a reason to meet for coffee and donuts and shoot down every idea/bid. Then have the gull to tell us it was for our good of the city!!
Its a darn shame that the Valley and SA are the ones reaping the rewards of $$$ going their way. They are the ones laughing and thanking us at the same time.
Now...does anyone think another contractor will spend hours on working on bids/sales pitches just so we can tell them...no...our track record speaks for itself.
As for Ray Madrigal...is he or the GI forum going to hand over the money to fix the coliseum or the ones who signed the petition..are you all willing to spend your weekends fixing it up? I think not...
Enough is enough...our council and the few old folks will never allow CC to move forward. They don't like change but yet wonder why our youth are leaving, why the business are closing down, why we don't have more tourist, why the big companies are leaving, why, why, why...
All I know is that i encourage my children to live somewhere else once they finish school. This will be the only way they will have a chance for a better future...
October 28, 2009
11:24 a.m.
cavranger60#449976 writes:
in response to dc:
How embarassing it is for us living in CC. They keep asking for bids and ideas...why??? so they can just have a reason to meet for coffee and donuts and shoot down every idea/bid. Then have the gull to tell us it was for our good of the city!!
Its a darn shame that the Valley and SA are the ones reaping the rewards of $$$ going their way. They are the ones laughing and thanking us at the same time.
Now...does anyone think another contractor will spend hours on working on bids/sales pitches just so we can tell them...no...our track record speaks for itself.
As for Ray Madrigal...is he or the GI forum going to hand over the money to fix the coliseum or the ones who signed the petition..are you all willing to spend your weekends fixing it up? I think not...
Enough is enough...our council and the few old folks will never allow CC to move forward. They don't like change but yet wonder why our youth are leaving, why the business are closing down, why we don't have more tourist, why the big companies are leaving, why, why, why...
All I know is that i encourage my children to live somewhere else once they finish school. This will be the only way they will have a chance for a better future...
I could not have said it better!! There has never and probably will never be anything for the youth there!! Unless you are in the oil or tourist business.. their is nothing for the young kids!! That is why they go to college and end up living in San Antonio, Austin or Houston!!! And the markets for employment are much better!!
October 28, 2009
11:25 a.m.
gymratt81 writes:
A am just really amazed by this city. Finally someone comes in that wants to do something with the Colisum. Get approved by city, then weeks later turn it down. If this city ever wants to grow it has to make up its mind about something. Other than handing out money for people to study it $100,000 of our money has been invested in all of this. Brass has some great idea's. I myself was not excited about public apartments being involved with this. Myself I told one of the owners at the City Council meeteing my idea for apartments. Contract them to the local sports teams that are here. IceRays, Hooks make these teams sign longterm lease. Thats a simple cure to that problem. The other problem I had is this project went from 29acres down to 9 and city council is saying that Brass didn't present everything back to them in barely over a month. But yet the Colisum has been sitting there VACANT since the last people in it the Katrina victims destoyed the inside and then lotters strip every last piece of copper is gone. So come on give Brass alittle more time to revise there plans. The city sure worked really hard to get Wateraburger Field here work hard to give someone else a chance. I am a IceRays fan, and would love to see this building happen and have a place to go ice skating at . So come on and do something with the building..A swimming pool is not the answer..
October 28, 2009
11:39 a.m.
SouthTexas writes:
in response to gymratt81:
A am just really amazed by this city. Finally someone comes in that wants to do something with the Colisum. Get approved by city, then weeks later turn it down. If this city ever wants to grow it has to make up its mind about something. Other than handing out money for people to study it $100,000 of our money has been invested in all of this. Brass has some great idea's. I myself was not excited about public apartments being involved with this. Myself I told one of the owners at the City Council meeteing my idea for apartments. Contract them to the local sports teams that are here. IceRays, Hooks make these teams sign longterm lease. Thats a simple cure to that problem. The other problem I had is this project went from 29acres down to 9 and city council is saying that Brass didn't present everything back to them in barely over a month. But yet the Colisum has been sitting there VACANT since the last people in it the Katrina victims destoyed the inside and then lotters strip every last piece of copper is gone. So come on give Brass alittle more time to revise there plans. The city sure worked really hard to get Wateraburger Field here work hard to give someone else a chance. I am a IceRays fan, and would love to see this building happen and have a place to go ice skating at . So come on and do something with the building..A swimming pool is not the answer..
If a swimming pool is not the answer perhaps the same could be said that redeveloping this property around a sports team is not either.
October 28, 2009
11:41 a.m.
gymratt81 writes:
in response to ilovecc:
400 permanent jobs-gone
1,500 temporary jobs-gone
$90 million development-gone
Chris Adler, John Marez, Mark Scott and Nelda Martinez are a disgrace to Corpus Christi.
I'm hearing closer to 600 permanent job.
2500 temporary jobs for close to 2yrs and as
a unemployed construction worker was really excited when Brass was the winner. Cause bet the same people not wanting this project are the same that don't want the new refinery on the northside of ship channel. Just give it to Brass !!!!!
October 28, 2009
11:43 a.m.
CoolBeans writes:
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October 28, 2009
11:53 a.m.
gymratt81 writes:
in response to cuellar_6#715527:
It is a no wonder when kids finnish high school or graduate from either Del Mar or A&M-CC they get on I-37 and get out of Corpus Christi. They know there is no oppritunity here.
Honestly I would have liked someone to rebuild the Coliseum cause events at the ABC are such a rip off. Plus I know the Hockey games and the rodeo were better there.
I totally agree with you when our kids get out of school IH-37 is there first trip. There is no work in this town, cause no companies want to come here and deal with city council. When someone does try to do something old people come out of the wood work to stop. If you want small town living go to Robstown cause the people that are trying to stop the growth of new companies, entertanment. Don't work cause there are retired and all they do is sit at home anyway. I wish I could print all these response and drop them on the Councils desk and let them read them.
October 28, 2009
11:54 a.m.
SouthTexas writes:
in response to Ag4Life:
I've really supported everything Joe Adame has done up until now. He set a timetable for a decision to be made and even removed himself from the discussion process to avoid a conflict of interest perception.
On the news last night, he mentioned that he was dissappointed in the outcome and said he will review their legal position in hopes that he could reconnect with Brass in the negotiations.
Shame on you, Joe. Just because you didn't like the outcome you now want to change the rules? You set the timetable and the rules for engagement. Now live with it. The next step should be to tear the coliseum down. Joe, don't reneg on your commitments like your predecessor did. Take your lumps and move on.
What I saw on the evening news last night was very disappointing. The right thing to have done was be supportive of his council. They voted and it's time to move on. Find out if the swim center project is real or if it's another deal that won't work like the Brass proposal. If it's another fantasy project then tear it down so you move on to address bigger issues.
October 28, 2009
noon
CarpeDiem writes:
A lot of talk about young people not having much to do, places to work, nothing to look forward to, moving out, moving on.
Wife and I sat down last night and had a long talk. At this time, it goes beyond just youth and this "old fart" can truly say that he is all "fished out" and is seriously considering any and all other options.
Comes a point when you just have to say "I'm done" and cut your losses and I believe that we as a family have reached that point in our lives. This is not solely as a result of this one vote in the Council but as a cumulative effect, the direction and/or lack of direction. Who are we? Where are we? What are we doing? Where are we going? How are we going to get there? Why aren't we there yet?
As I reflect on whether it has been a good fight or even a battle worth fighting, the thought occurs to me that it never has been a fair fight, the decisions had once again been made and it would appear that the final decision for us was signed, sealed and delivered on October 27th, 2009.
October 28, 2009
12:04 p.m.
gymratt81 writes:
in response to cc_webdog#243583:
The Olympic swim training center is the best fit for our proud city. Not too hot, not too cold, just right. All of their quoted statements lead me to believe they know what they are doing.
REALLY????? I was there the night they made there bid. Was not impressed, they could not say how the pools would be built "above ground or below ground. They were not very profesinal at all. When your making a bid for a nearly 100million dollar job you have your stuff together. They had 2 people that supported them. we have a swimming center off of Saratoga that horrible and all independent High School are building there own pools. Michael Phelps isn't gonna come if you build it.
October 28, 2009
12:20 p.m.
SouthTexas writes:
in response to gymratt81:
I'm hearing closer to 600 permanent job.
2500 temporary jobs for close to 2yrs and as
a unemployed construction worker was really excited when Brass was the winner. Cause bet the same people not wanting this project are the same that don't want the new refinery on the northside of ship channel. Just give it to Brass !!!!!
There was not going to be a $90 million development. Just because someone says it or you read it does not make it true. Otherwise we would have two additional malls, at least two water theme parks and quite a few other projects that were proposals. Proposals and bankable deals are not the same. Developers and others try to put together deals but they are not always able to get the deal to work. Brass could not commit to doing a development of that size there. All they could do is say that was going to be what they attempted to do. That's the way it works.
October 28, 2009
12:27 p.m.
JavelinaWildcat writes:
in response to gymratt81:
I'm hearing closer to 600 permanent job.
2500 temporary jobs for close to 2yrs and as
a unemployed construction worker was really excited when Brass was the winner. Cause bet the same people not wanting this project are the same that don't want the new refinery on the northside of ship channel. Just give it to Brass !!!!!
Sorry about your situation.
Go ask the people in this Sunday article that can be found on here for a job.
They are the ones who used the four on the council to kill it. Start from name #1 in this article and go down the line. Ask them since they know what's best for Corpus, find a way to keep you here. These people in this article disgust me beyond belief.
I wasn't attached to Brass plan as it was originally presented and would have been fine with the swim center. But the whole concept of doing something new down there to attract commerce is what is needed, so I was OK in the end with Brass. My main concern is this further gives Corpus a bad rap as far as welcoming business and empower those people even more in Sunday's article to rule over this city with almost a type of silent tyranny. We had a chance to take advantage of something not too many cities are doing now with the current economy and get some new investments and jobs. Where in the heck does that put us when the economy comes back? In a hole like we were when the economy was humming along and the places like the RGV, San Antonio, Laredo, etc were booming. It's disgusting those few people in this town are allowed so much power! Rise up!!
October 28, 2009
12:29 p.m.
PayOffCreditCards writes:
The regional Olympic training center concept ... New impact dollars ... beautiful parklands that can remain for public use ... improvements that can be made for the general public good as authorized years ago by VOTERS... not to worry, not to worry, a viable project will be forthcoming.
October 28, 2009
12:30 p.m.
gymratt81 writes:
in response to Dude:
The Brass plan was exposed for what it was, a nearly free permanent home for a Hockey team that has never quite made it in all these years.
Shame on council for falling for that to begin with!
Now keep your promise! Mayor, council, you PROMISED action!!!!
RAZE THE HUT!!!!!
I wanna know how you figure almost free home for the IceRays. The owner of the Rays was paying for all the construction on the ice rink. When they pay almost $10,000 a night to host a game. Why wouldn't they want a cheaper place to play and thats ther all year round. Not getting kicked out for Islander basketball, concerts ect. When they are the main contractor in the ABC. What would happen if the Islander baseball team told the Hooks they couldn't use Waterburger Field. Plus IceRays were already ready to sign a 15yr lease so its not free by any means !!!
October 28, 2009
12:38 p.m.
CoolBeans writes:
Thanks for removing my comment!!! What ever happen to my 1st amendment rights or are in tangles with these people?
October 28, 2009
12:45 p.m.
Ag4Life writes:
in response to PayOffCreditCards:
The regional Olympic training center concept ... New impact dollars ... beautiful parklands that can remain for public use ... improvements that can be made for the general public good as authorized years ago by VOTERS... not to worry, not to worry, a viable project will be forthcoming.
".....a viable project will be forthcoming"
Sure!
Just as soon as you get your credit cards paid off, right?
October 28, 2009
12:59 p.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
Would the last one out please turn off the lights.
October 28, 2009
1:16 p.m.
octomusangel writes:
Look up incompetence in dictionary and you will see a picture of:
Nelda Martinez
Chris Adler
John Marez
Mark Scott
I can't wait for the next election. Corpus should ban against these halfwits. Such a MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. They obviously could care less about this community.
October 28, 2009
1:32 p.m.
HowdyDoody writes:
"I can't wait for the next election."
For what, more of the same from the next bunch of elected losers? Tbis place will never change.
What would really attract peeps to corpitos is a grouping at the bayfront bluff of busts representing the local holy trinity - Selena, Dr. Garcia, and Escobar who will guide this city to Nirvana.
October 28, 2009
2:43 p.m.
NagaSadhu writes:
Politics in Corpus Christi must create much STRESS among those involved.
STRESS is the cause of many psychological malfunctions that often times manifests as physical diseases.
An assumption would be that at the end of the day those involved in Corpus Christi politics probably find themslves lifting a bottle of Alcohol as the primary mood changer. Or, just maybe at one of the after hours business or social functions?
If the assumption is correct then perhaps those involved in Corpus Christi politics and the curious would help themselves health wise by contacting their state and national representatives to support "medical marijuana" in Texas. It would help the stress levels in Corpus Christi for sure. Easy on the Kidneys and livers too.
And, while they are at it they can signal their representatives that farming HEMP for all the by-products would also help Corpus Christi, Nueces County and the state of Texas.
October 28, 2009
2:47 p.m.
Mainenefan01#235469 writes:
I say we boot them all out next election and start again..stop re-electing the same un-able to get anything done or make a decision city council.
There isn't one of them worth their weight in spit as a leader. They have failed the city yet again.
Bulldoze the place and plant grass, because there isn't anyone who can meet the demands of Corpus Christi City politics.
Mr. Madrigal, we can afford to fix the dump up, besides there isn't anyone who is willing to make the decisions. The spineless jelly fish at city hall can just keep flopping on the floor wondering why businesses aren't just jumping at the opportunity to do business in CC.
You can't do business when the elected people of a city can't find their butts with both hands and a room full of mirrors.
October 28, 2009
2:58 p.m.
haceunano writes:
This is the way it is folks. Those of you that say "we're going to vote them out", "Just wait until the next election we're going to tear it up". Corpus Christi politics is the way it is. Those that have money made it beaucoup long time ago and they don't want nobody else to make money so that's why ain't nothing getting done barbara. You can give the City Council pay raises, full insurance coverage, and get the best City Manager in the world.......if these older boys don't want it to happen, it ain't going to happen, George. Even the money guy for the Icerays, has got enough jingwa to compete with those guys. So there, shut down this blog. Park the twin muffler BBQ pits in front of the Coliseum and sell those sandwiches.
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